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YOW Smart Citizen Workshop - Adopt an FREE Air Quality Sensor

Tracey P. Lauriault
VIA Steve Liang

Hi All,

We are organizing a smart citizen MAKE-YOUR-OWN-SENSOR workshop in Ottawa on September 9th.  Wanna know the air quality in your backyard?  Wanna join this city-wide air quality sensing network?

Apply to adopt a sensor here:
https://smartcities.sensorup.com/ottawa/2017-09-09/

Cheers,
Steve
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University of Calgary

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Re: YOW Smart Citizen Workshop - Adopt an FREE Air Quality Sensor

john whelan
Free but they want my credit card details?

I don't pay anyone except Amazon by credit card over the Internet.  Paypal maybe.   I note I can buy the basic link it smart for $15 retail, I assume the temperature measuring module, particle module and humidity modules are $70 each.

I'm obviously missing something.

Cheerio John

On 29 August 2017 at 16:46, Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email]> wrote:
VIA Steve Liang

Hi All,

We are organizing a smart citizen MAKE-YOUR-OWN-SENSOR workshop in Ottawa on September 9th.  Wanna know the air quality in your backyard?  Wanna join this city-wide air quality sensing network?

Apply to adopt a sensor here:
https://smartcities.sensorup.com/ottawa/2017-09-09/

Cheers,
Steve
--
Dr. Steve H.L. Liang, Ph.D. P.Eng.
Associate Professor 
AITF-Microsoft Industry Chair in Open Sensor Web
Department of Geomatics Engineering
Schulich School of Engineering
University of Calgary

CEO, SensorUp Inc.

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Communication Studies
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Suite 4110, River Building
Carleton University
1125 Colonel By Drive
Ottawa (ON) K1S 5B6
<a href="tel:(613)%20520-2600" value="+16135202600" target="_blank">1-613-520-2600 x7443
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Re: YOW Smart Citizen Workshop - Adopt an FREE Air Quality Sensor

john whelan
Step three asks for credit card information.

Cheerio John

On 29 August 2017 at 19:40, Steve Liang <[hidden email]> wrote:
The link leads you to a simple application form. There is no place asking for your credit card information. Sensing devices are sponsored by SensorUp. Free for the 10 volunteers.

Steve

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Free but they want my credit card details?

I don't pay anyone except Amazon by credit card over the Internet.  Paypal maybe.   I note I can buy the basic link it smart for $15 retail, I assume the temperature measuring module, particle module and humidity modules are $70 each.

I'm obviously missing something.

Cheerio John

On 29 August 2017 at 16:46, Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email][hidden email]> wrote:
VIA Steve Liang

Hi All,

We are organizing a smart citizen MAKE-YOUR-OWN-SENSOR workshop in Ottawa on September 9th.  Wanna know the air quality in your backyard?  Wanna join this city-wide air quality sensing network?

Apply to adopt a sensor here:
Cheers,
Steve
--
Dr. Steve H.L. Liang, Ph.D. P.Eng.
Associate Professor 
AITF-Microsoft Industry Chair in Open Sensor Web
Department of Geomatics Engineering
Schulich School of Engineering
University of Calgary

CEO, SensorUp Inc.

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Re: YOW Smart Citizen Workshop - Adopt an FREE Air Quality Sensor

Tracey P. Lauriault
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Drop Stephen a note!

On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 7:26 PM, john whelan <[hidden email]> wrote:
Free but they want my credit card details?

I don't pay anyone except Amazon by credit card over the Internet.  Paypal maybe.   I note I can buy the basic link it smart for $15 retail, I assume the temperature measuring module, particle module and humidity modules are $70 each.

I'm obviously missing something.

Cheerio John

On 29 August 2017 at 16:46, Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email]> wrote:
VIA Steve Liang

Hi All,

We are organizing a smart citizen MAKE-YOUR-OWN-SENSOR workshop in Ottawa on September 9th.  Wanna know the air quality in your backyard?  Wanna join this city-wide air quality sensing network?

Apply to adopt a sensor here:
https://smartcities.sensorup.com/ottawa/2017-09-09/

Cheers,
Steve
--
Dr. Steve H.L. Liang, Ph.D. P.Eng.
Associate Professor 
AITF-Microsoft Industry Chair in Open Sensor Web
Department of Geomatics Engineering
Schulich School of Engineering
University of Calgary

CEO, SensorUp Inc.

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Critical Media Studies and Big Data
Communication Studies
School of Journalism and Communication
Suite 4110, River Building
Carleton University
1125 Colonel By Drive
Ottawa (ON) K1S 5B6
<a href="tel:(613)%20520-2600" value="+16135202600" target="_blank">1-613-520-2600 x7443
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School of Journalism and Communication
Suite 4110, River Building
Carleton University
1125 Colonel By Drive
Ottawa (ON) K1S 5B6
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Tracey P. Lauriault
I just sent in my info and I was not asked for a credit card number!

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 7:35 AM, Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email]> wrote:
Drop Stephen a note!

On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 7:26 PM, john whelan <[hidden email]> wrote:
Free but they want my credit card details?

I don't pay anyone except Amazon by credit card over the Internet.  Paypal maybe.   I note I can buy the basic link it smart for $15 retail, I assume the temperature measuring module, particle module and humidity modules are $70 each.

I'm obviously missing something.

Cheerio John

On 29 August 2017 at 16:46, Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email]> wrote:
VIA Steve Liang

Hi All,

We are organizing a smart citizen MAKE-YOUR-OWN-SENSOR workshop in Ottawa on September 9th.  Wanna know the air quality in your backyard?  Wanna join this city-wide air quality sensing network?

Apply to adopt a sensor here:
https://smartcities.sensorup.com/ottawa/2017-09-09/

Cheers,
Steve
--
Dr. Steve H.L. Liang, Ph.D. P.Eng.
Associate Professor 
AITF-Microsoft Industry Chair in Open Sensor Web
Department of Geomatics Engineering
Schulich School of Engineering
University of Calgary

CEO, SensorUp Inc.

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Assistant Professor 
Critical Media Studies and Big Data
Communication Studies
School of Journalism and Communication
Suite 4110, River Building
Carleton University
1125 Colonel By Drive
Ottawa (ON) K1S 5B6
<a href="tel:(613)%20520-2600" value="+16135202600" target="_blank">1-613-520-2600 x7443
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Critical Media Studies and Big Data
Communication Studies
School of Journalism and Communication
Suite 4110, River Building
Carleton University
1125 Colonel By Drive
Ottawa (ON) K1S 5B6
<a href="tel:(613)%20520-2600" value="+16135202600" target="_blank">1-613-520-2600 x7443
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Critical Media Studies and Big Data
Communication Studies
School of Journalism and Communication
Suite 4110, River Building
Carleton University
1125 Colonel By Drive
Ottawa (ON) K1S 5B6
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john whelan
I probably browsed the site first to get a bit more info about the recommended placement etc. then ended up on the wrong page which asked me for my credit card number.  For example under a tree would give lower temperatures and higher humidity, the north side of the house is closer to the highway so probably a higher particle count.  Outdoor temperatures can be difficult to measure accurately, typically three home depot digital thermometers will give three different readings.

My curiosity and scientific background are probably not ideal for this project.  I suspect the idea is by averaging a large number of devices a higher level of accuracy can be obtained and by comparing the readings over time from the same device more data can be retrieved.  I also have concerns about safety, battery power is one thing connected to hydro is something else.  The power supply would need to be certified and waterproof.

I take it a cheap sensor for rain has not been identified.  Than one would be interesting but there are problems in winter.

Cheerio John

On 30 August 2017 at 07:38, Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email]> wrote:
I just sent in my info and I was not asked for a credit card number!

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 7:35 AM, Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email]> wrote:
Drop Stephen a note!

On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 7:26 PM, john whelan <[hidden email]> wrote:
Free but they want my credit card details?

I don't pay anyone except Amazon by credit card over the Internet.  Paypal maybe.   I note I can buy the basic link it smart for $15 retail, I assume the temperature measuring module, particle module and humidity modules are $70 each.

I'm obviously missing something.

Cheerio John

On 29 August 2017 at 16:46, Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email]> wrote:
VIA Steve Liang

Hi All,

We are organizing a smart citizen MAKE-YOUR-OWN-SENSOR workshop in Ottawa on September 9th.  Wanna know the air quality in your backyard?  Wanna join this city-wide air quality sensing network?

Apply to adopt a sensor here:
https://smartcities.sensorup.com/ottawa/2017-09-09/

Cheers,
Steve
--
Dr. Steve H.L. Liang, Ph.D. P.Eng.
Associate Professor 
AITF-Microsoft Industry Chair in Open Sensor Web
Department of Geomatics Engineering
Schulich School of Engineering
University of Calgary

CEO, SensorUp Inc.

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Tracey P. Lauriault
Assistant Professor 
Critical Media Studies and Big Data
Communication Studies
School of Journalism and Communication
Suite 4110, River Building
Carleton University
1125 Colonel By Drive
Ottawa (ON) K1S 5B6
<a href="tel:(613)%20520-2600" value="+16135202600" target="_blank">1-613-520-2600 x7443
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Critical Media Studies and Big Data
Communication Studies
School of Journalism and Communication
Suite 4110, River Building
Carleton University
1125 Colonel By Drive
Ottawa (ON) K1S 5B6
<a href="tel:(613)%20520-2600" value="+16135202600" target="_blank">1-613-520-2600 x7443
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Assistant Professor 
Critical Media Studies and Big Data
Communication Studies
School of Journalism and Communication
Suite 4110, River Building
Carleton University
1125 Colonel By Drive
Ottawa (ON) K1S 5B6
<a href="tel:(613)%20520-2600" value="+16135202600" target="_blank">1-613-520-2600 x7443
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Re: YOW Smart Citizen Workshop - Adopt an FREE Air Quality Sensor

Glen Newton
Was anyone able to find a data download page on their site? I tried to find one but could not.
Their FAQ does not mention it.

I also could not find any mention of the license of the collected data and if the sensor owner or the company has copyright on the data.

Glen

On 30 August 2017 at 07:59, john whelan <[hidden email]> wrote:
I probably browsed the site first to get a bit more info about the recommended placement etc. then ended up on the wrong page which asked me for my credit card number.  For example under a tree would give lower temperatures and higher humidity, the north side of the house is closer to the highway so probably a higher particle count.  Outdoor temperatures can be difficult to measure accurately, typically three home depot digital thermometers will give three different readings.

My curiosity and scientific background are probably not ideal for this project.  I suspect the idea is by averaging a large number of devices a higher level of accuracy can be obtained and by comparing the readings over time from the same device more data can be retrieved.  I also have concerns about safety, battery power is one thing connected to hydro is something else.  The power supply would need to be certified and waterproof.

I take it a cheap sensor for rain has not been identified.  Than one would be interesting but there are problems in winter.

Cheerio John

On 30 August 2017 at 07:38, Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email]> wrote:
I just sent in my info and I was not asked for a credit card number!

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 7:35 AM, Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email]> wrote:
Drop Stephen a note!

On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 7:26 PM, john whelan <[hidden email]> wrote:
Free but they want my credit card details?

I don't pay anyone except Amazon by credit card over the Internet.  Paypal maybe.   I note I can buy the basic link it smart for $15 retail, I assume the temperature measuring module, particle module and humidity modules are $70 each.

I'm obviously missing something.

Cheerio John

On 29 August 2017 at 16:46, Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email]> wrote:
VIA Steve Liang

Hi All,

We are organizing a smart citizen MAKE-YOUR-OWN-SENSOR workshop in Ottawa on September 9th.  Wanna know the air quality in your backyard?  Wanna join this city-wide air quality sensing network?

Apply to adopt a sensor here:
https://smartcities.sensorup.com/ottawa/2017-09-09/

Cheers,
Steve
--
Dr. Steve H.L. Liang, Ph.D. P.Eng.
Associate Professor 
AITF-Microsoft Industry Chair in Open Sensor Web
Department of Geomatics Engineering
Schulich School of Engineering
University of Calgary

CEO, SensorUp Inc.

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Critical Media Studies and Big Data
Communication Studies
School of Journalism and Communication
Suite 4110, River Building
Carleton University
1125 Colonel By Drive
Ottawa (ON) K1S 5B6
<a href="tel:(613)%20520-2600" value="+16135202600" target="_blank">1-613-520-2600 x7443
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Critical Media Studies and Big Data
Communication Studies
School of Journalism and Communication
Suite 4110, River Building
Carleton University
1125 Colonel By Drive
Ottawa (ON) K1S 5B6
<a href="tel:(613)%20520-2600" value="+16135202600" target="_blank">1-613-520-2600 x7443
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Assistant Professor 
Critical Media Studies and Big Data
Communication Studies
School of Journalism and Communication
Suite 4110, River Building
Carleton University
1125 Colonel By Drive
Ottawa (ON) K1S 5B6
<a href="tel:(613)%20520-2600" value="+16135202600" target="_blank">1-613-520-2600 x7443
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Re: YOW Smart Citizen Workshop - Adopt an FREE Air Quality Sensor

john whelan
I note that the City of Ottawa has a number of air quality monitors through out the city that measure eight different pollutants.


I suspect the measuring instruments are certified to be a reasonable quality and the placement of the monitoring stations will have been thought out.  I'm not sure what additional value this project offers.  I feel cynical sometimes.

Sorry John

On 30 August 2017 at 08:56, Glen Newton <[hidden email]> wrote:
Was anyone able to find a data download page on their site? I tried to find one but could not.
Their FAQ does not mention it.

I also could not find any mention of the license of the collected data and if the sensor owner or the company has copyright on the data.

Glen

On 30 August 2017 at 07:59, john whelan <[hidden email]> wrote:
I probably browsed the site first to get a bit more info about the recommended placement etc. then ended up on the wrong page which asked me for my credit card number.  For example under a tree would give lower temperatures and higher humidity, the north side of the house is closer to the highway so probably a higher particle count.  Outdoor temperatures can be difficult to measure accurately, typically three home depot digital thermometers will give three different readings.

My curiosity and scientific background are probably not ideal for this project.  I suspect the idea is by averaging a large number of devices a higher level of accuracy can be obtained and by comparing the readings over time from the same device more data can be retrieved.  I also have concerns about safety, battery power is one thing connected to hydro is something else.  The power supply would need to be certified and waterproof.

I take it a cheap sensor for rain has not been identified.  Than one would be interesting but there are problems in winter.

Cheerio John

On 30 August 2017 at 07:38, Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email]> wrote:
I just sent in my info and I was not asked for a credit card number!

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 7:35 AM, Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email]> wrote:
Drop Stephen a note!

On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 7:26 PM, john whelan <[hidden email]> wrote:
Free but they want my credit card details?

I don't pay anyone except Amazon by credit card over the Internet.  Paypal maybe.   I note I can buy the basic link it smart for $15 retail, I assume the temperature measuring module, particle module and humidity modules are $70 each.

I'm obviously missing something.

Cheerio John

On 29 August 2017 at 16:46, Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email]> wrote:
VIA Steve Liang

Hi All,

We are organizing a smart citizen MAKE-YOUR-OWN-SENSOR workshop in Ottawa on September 9th.  Wanna know the air quality in your backyard?  Wanna join this city-wide air quality sensing network?

Apply to adopt a sensor here:
https://smartcities.sensorup.com/ottawa/2017-09-09/

Cheers,
Steve
--
Dr. Steve H.L. Liang, Ph.D. P.Eng.
Associate Professor 
AITF-Microsoft Industry Chair in Open Sensor Web
Department of Geomatics Engineering
Schulich School of Engineering
University of Calgary

CEO, SensorUp Inc.

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Critical Media Studies and Big Data
Communication Studies
School of Journalism and Communication
Suite 4110, River Building
Carleton University
1125 Colonel By Drive
Ottawa (ON) K1S 5B6
<a href="tel:(613)%20520-2600" value="+16135202600" target="_blank">1-613-520-2600 x7443
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Communication Studies
School of Journalism and Communication
Suite 4110, River Building
Carleton University
1125 Colonel By Drive
Ottawa (ON) K1S 5B6
<a href="tel:(613)%20520-2600" value="+16135202600" target="_blank">1-613-520-2600 x7443
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Communication Studies
School of Journalism and Communication
Suite 4110, River Building
Carleton University
1125 Colonel By Drive
Ottawa (ON) K1S 5B6
<a href="tel:(613)%20520-2600" value="+16135202600" target="_blank">1-613-520-2600 x7443
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Re: YOW Smart Citizen Workshop - Adopt an FREE Air Quality Sensor

Tracey P. Lauriault
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Good question Glen!

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 8:56 AM, Glen Newton <[hidden email]> wrote:
Was anyone able to find a data download page on their site? I tried to find one but could not.
Their FAQ does not mention it.

I also could not find any mention of the license of the collected data and if the sensor owner or the company has copyright on the data.

Glen

On 30 August 2017 at 07:59, john whelan <[hidden email]> wrote:
I probably browsed the site first to get a bit more info about the recommended placement etc. then ended up on the wrong page which asked me for my credit card number.  For example under a tree would give lower temperatures and higher humidity, the north side of the house is closer to the highway so probably a higher particle count.  Outdoor temperatures can be difficult to measure accurately, typically three home depot digital thermometers will give three different readings.

My curiosity and scientific background are probably not ideal for this project.  I suspect the idea is by averaging a large number of devices a higher level of accuracy can be obtained and by comparing the readings over time from the same device more data can be retrieved.  I also have concerns about safety, battery power is one thing connected to hydro is something else.  The power supply would need to be certified and waterproof.

I take it a cheap sensor for rain has not been identified.  Than one would be interesting but there are problems in winter.

Cheerio John

On 30 August 2017 at 07:38, Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email]> wrote:
I just sent in my info and I was not asked for a credit card number!

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 7:35 AM, Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email]> wrote:
Drop Stephen a note!

On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 7:26 PM, john whelan <[hidden email]> wrote:
Free but they want my credit card details?

I don't pay anyone except Amazon by credit card over the Internet.  Paypal maybe.   I note I can buy the basic link it smart for $15 retail, I assume the temperature measuring module, particle module and humidity modules are $70 each.

I'm obviously missing something.

Cheerio John

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We are organizing a smart citizen MAKE-YOUR-OWN-SENSOR workshop in Ottawa on September 9th.  Wanna know the air quality in your backyard?  Wanna join this city-wide air quality sensing network?

Apply to adopt a sensor here:
https://smartcities.sensorup.com/ottawa/2017-09-09/

Cheers,
Steve
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john whelan

and the one that is really interesting and fully open data as far as I can see is www.wxqa.com Operators of Citizen Weather Stations

This one talks about the ideal locations for sensors and has some 7,000 stations in its network.

Note to Steve how difficult would it be to align with the standards used by wxqa and interface to their back end system rather than build another mousetrap back end?

Note to Glenn other than being hosted in the US how open do you consider it to be?

Thanks John

On 30 August 2017 at 16:04, Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email]> wrote:
Good question Glen!

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 8:56 AM, Glen Newton <[hidden email]> wrote:
Was anyone able to find a data download page on their site? I tried to find one but could not.
Their FAQ does not mention it.

I also could not find any mention of the license of the collected data and if the sensor owner or the company has copyright on the data.

Glen

On 30 August 2017 at 07:59, john whelan <[hidden email]> wrote:
I probably browsed the site first to get a bit more info about the recommended placement etc. then ended up on the wrong page which asked me for my credit card number.  For example under a tree would give lower temperatures and higher humidity, the north side of the house is closer to the highway so probably a higher particle count.  Outdoor temperatures can be difficult to measure accurately, typically three home depot digital thermometers will give three different readings.

My curiosity and scientific background are probably not ideal for this project.  I suspect the idea is by averaging a large number of devices a higher level of accuracy can be obtained and by comparing the readings over time from the same device more data can be retrieved.  I also have concerns about safety, battery power is one thing connected to hydro is something else.  The power supply would need to be certified and waterproof.

I take it a cheap sensor for rain has not been identified.  Than one would be interesting but there are problems in winter.

Cheerio John

On 30 August 2017 at 07:38, Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email]> wrote:
I just sent in my info and I was not asked for a credit card number!

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 7:35 AM, Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email]> wrote:
Drop Stephen a note!

On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 7:26 PM, john whelan <[hidden email]> wrote:
Free but they want my credit card details?

I don't pay anyone except Amazon by credit card over the Internet.  Paypal maybe.   I note I can buy the basic link it smart for $15 retail, I assume the temperature measuring module, particle module and humidity modules are $70 each.

I'm obviously missing something.

Cheerio John

On 29 August 2017 at 16:46, Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email]> wrote:
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Hi All,

We are organizing a smart citizen MAKE-YOUR-OWN-SENSOR workshop in Ottawa on September 9th.  Wanna know the air quality in your backyard?  Wanna join this city-wide air quality sensing network?

Apply to adopt a sensor here:
https://smartcities.sensorup.com/ottawa/2017-09-09/

Cheers,
Steve
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Re: YOW Smart Citizen Workshop - Adopt an FREE Air Quality Sensor

john whelan
I missed this one www.wunderground.com

Cheerio John

On 30 August 2017 at 17:08, john whelan <[hidden email]> wrote:

and the one that is really interesting and fully open data as far as I can see is www.wxqa.com Operators of Citizen Weather Stations

This one talks about the ideal locations for sensors and has some 7,000 stations in its network.

Note to Steve how difficult would it be to align with the standards used by wxqa and interface to their back end system rather than build another mousetrap back end?

Note to Glenn other than being hosted in the US how open do you consider it to be?

Thanks John

On 30 August 2017 at 16:04, Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email]> wrote:
Good question Glen!

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 8:56 AM, Glen Newton <[hidden email]> wrote:
Was anyone able to find a data download page on their site? I tried to find one but could not.
Their FAQ does not mention it.

I also could not find any mention of the license of the collected data and if the sensor owner or the company has copyright on the data.

Glen

On 30 August 2017 at 07:59, john whelan <[hidden email]> wrote:
I probably browsed the site first to get a bit more info about the recommended placement etc. then ended up on the wrong page which asked me for my credit card number.  For example under a tree would give lower temperatures and higher humidity, the north side of the house is closer to the highway so probably a higher particle count.  Outdoor temperatures can be difficult to measure accurately, typically three home depot digital thermometers will give three different readings.

My curiosity and scientific background are probably not ideal for this project.  I suspect the idea is by averaging a large number of devices a higher level of accuracy can be obtained and by comparing the readings over time from the same device more data can be retrieved.  I also have concerns about safety, battery power is one thing connected to hydro is something else.  The power supply would need to be certified and waterproof.

I take it a cheap sensor for rain has not been identified.  Than one would be interesting but there are problems in winter.

Cheerio John

On 30 August 2017 at 07:38, Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email]> wrote:
I just sent in my info and I was not asked for a credit card number!

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 7:35 AM, Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email]> wrote:
Drop Stephen a note!

On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 7:26 PM, john whelan <[hidden email]> wrote:
Free but they want my credit card details?

I don't pay anyone except Amazon by credit card over the Internet.  Paypal maybe.   I note I can buy the basic link it smart for $15 retail, I assume the temperature measuring module, particle module and humidity modules are $70 each.

I'm obviously missing something.

Cheerio John

On 29 August 2017 at 16:46, Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email]> wrote:
VIA Steve Liang

Hi All,

We are organizing a smart citizen MAKE-YOUR-OWN-SENSOR workshop in Ottawa on September 9th.  Wanna know the air quality in your backyard?  Wanna join this city-wide air quality sensing network?

Apply to adopt a sensor here:
https://smartcities.sensorup.com/ottawa/2017-09-09/

Cheers,
Steve
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Re: YOW Smart Citizen Workshop - Adopt an FREE Air Quality Sensor

Tracey P. Lauriault
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great discussion!

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 5:08 PM, john whelan <[hidden email]> wrote:

and the one that is really interesting and fully open data as far as I can see is www.wxqa.com Operators of Citizen Weather Stations

This one talks about the ideal locations for sensors and has some 7,000 stations in its network.

Note to Steve how difficult would it be to align with the standards used by wxqa and interface to their back end system rather than build another mousetrap back end?

Note to Glenn other than being hosted in the US how open do you consider it to be?

Thanks John

On 30 August 2017 at 16:04, Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email]> wrote:
Good question Glen!

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 8:56 AM, Glen Newton <[hidden email]> wrote:
Was anyone able to find a data download page on their site? I tried to find one but could not.
Their FAQ does not mention it.

I also could not find any mention of the license of the collected data and if the sensor owner or the company has copyright on the data.

Glen

On 30 August 2017 at 07:59, john whelan <[hidden email]> wrote:
I probably browsed the site first to get a bit more info about the recommended placement etc. then ended up on the wrong page which asked me for my credit card number.  For example under a tree would give lower temperatures and higher humidity, the north side of the house is closer to the highway so probably a higher particle count.  Outdoor temperatures can be difficult to measure accurately, typically three home depot digital thermometers will give three different readings.

My curiosity and scientific background are probably not ideal for this project.  I suspect the idea is by averaging a large number of devices a higher level of accuracy can be obtained and by comparing the readings over time from the same device more data can be retrieved.  I also have concerns about safety, battery power is one thing connected to hydro is something else.  The power supply would need to be certified and waterproof.

I take it a cheap sensor for rain has not been identified.  Than one would be interesting but there are problems in winter.

Cheerio John

On 30 August 2017 at 07:38, Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email]> wrote:
I just sent in my info and I was not asked for a credit card number!

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 7:35 AM, Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email]> wrote:
Drop Stephen a note!

On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 7:26 PM, john whelan <[hidden email]> wrote:
Free but they want my credit card details?

I don't pay anyone except Amazon by credit card over the Internet.  Paypal maybe.   I note I can buy the basic link it smart for $15 retail, I assume the temperature measuring module, particle module and humidity modules are $70 each.

I'm obviously missing something.

Cheerio John

On 29 August 2017 at 16:46, Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email]> wrote:
VIA Steve Liang

Hi All,

We are organizing a smart citizen MAKE-YOUR-OWN-SENSOR workshop in Ottawa on September 9th.  Wanna know the air quality in your backyard?  Wanna join this city-wide air quality sensing network?

Apply to adopt a sensor here:
https://smartcities.sensorup.com/ottawa/2017-09-09/

Cheers,
Steve
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Re: YOW Smart Citizen Workshop - Adopt an FREE Air Quality Sensor

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Just to include Steve's comments.  It would appear that www.wunderground.com is not as open as
one might like which leaves www.wxqa.com.  I note that there are a number of locations feeding this in Canada including Ottawa and Gatineau Airports but not Carlton University.

I think my preference would be something that fed wxqa although particle count isn't there yet.  Perhaps feed wxqa with what they can take and particle count to somewhere else.

Can anyone think of a way to get the school boards on side?

Thanks John

On 30 August 2017 at 18:16, Steve Liang <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi John,


The accuracy of temp and RH really depends on many factors. One important factor is the radiation shield and installation location. Weather Underground provided a guide for installation locations: https://www.wunderground.com/weatherstation/installationguide.asp


Regarding security, our device is very dumb.  It simply sends data every 5 minutes.  It doesn't have the capability to update firmware over the air or receive commands from our server.  And it can be a good thing because it minimize the security risks.  You are right regarding using Wifi router to protect these devices.  


I found my replies didn't go to the group as I am not on the white list yet.  I registered, but still waiting for approval.


There are many citizen sensing projects around the world.  You listed some in your email, and there are in fact too many....    For example, in Taipei city alone there are five different APIs for air quality sensors!!  This heterogeneity is creating many problems now.  


Regarding Weather Underground, it is free for anyone to upload data to their system.  But it is not free to get historical data. https://www.wunderground.com/weather/api/d/pricing.html  BTW, Weather Underground was acquired by IBM, so it's IBM now.


Thanks for all the questions.  It's a great discussion.


Steve






From: john whelan <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 10:05:55 AM
To: Steve Liang

Subject: Re: [CivicAccess-discuss] YOW Smart Citizen Workshop - Adopt an FREE Air Quality Sensor
 
What sort of accuracy are we talking about on the temp and relative  humidity sensors?

I've gone off the mailing list as I doubt the others are that interested in the more technical side.

I assume you are relying on the WiFi router's firewall to protect these devices from becoming part of a botnet.

Thanks John

On 30 Aug 2017 10:27 am, "Steve Liang" <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi John,


Great question.  The short answer is that the existing air quality monitor stations and these low-cost sensors complement each other.  The traditional air quality monitor stations cost A LOT of money to build and maintain. As a result, a city can only afford a few stations.


Recently the accuracy and reliability of the low-cost air quality sensors have been improved significantly.  That makes them great candidates for more serious applications. The large number of distributed sensors offers “hyper-local” air quality data in real-time. Now I can know the air quality maybe 500 metres from my location rather than 10 kms from me.  In Calgary we've seen air quality can be very different from one location to the other. 


Cheers,

Steve

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From: john whelan <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 7:24 AM
To: civicaccess discuss
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Subject: Re: [CivicAccess-discuss] YOW Smart Citizen Workshop - Adopt an FREE Air Quality Sensor
 
I note that the City of Ottawa has a number of air quality monitors through out the city that measure eight different pollutants.


I suspect the measuring instruments are certified to be a reasonable quality and the placement of the monitoring stations will have been thought out.  I'm not sure what additional value this project offers.  I feel cynical sometimes.

Sorry John

On 30 August 2017 at 08:56, Glen Newton <[hidden email]> wrote:
Was anyone able to find a data download page on their site? I tried to find one but could not.
Their FAQ does not mention it.

I also could not find any mention of the license of the collected data and if the sensor owner or the company has copyright on the data.

Glen

On 30 August 2017 at 07:59, john whelan <[hidden email]> wrote:
I probably browsed the site first to get a bit more info about the recommended placement etc. then ended up on the wrong page which asked me for my credit card number.  For example under a tree would give lower temperatures and higher humidity, the north side of the house is closer to the highway so probably a higher particle count.  Outdoor temperatures can be difficult to measure accurately, typically three home depot digital thermometers will give three different readings.

My curiosity and scientific background are probably not ideal for this project.  I suspect the idea is by averaging a large number of devices a higher level of accuracy can be obtained and by comparing the readings over time from the same device more data can be retrieved.  I also have concerns about safety, battery power is one thing connected to hydro is something else.  The power supply would need to be certified and waterproof.

I take it a cheap sensor for rain has not been identified.  Than one would be interesting but there are problems in winter.

Cheerio John

On 30 August 2017 at 07:38, Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email]> wrote:
I just sent in my info and I was not asked for a credit card number!

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 7:35 AM, Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email]> wrote:
Drop Stephen a note!

On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 7:26 PM, john whelan <[hidden email]> wrote:
Free but they want my credit card details?

I don't pay anyone except Amazon by credit card over the Internet.  Paypal maybe.   I note I can buy the basic link it smart for $15 retail, I assume the temperature measuring module, particle module and humidity modules are $70 each.

I'm obviously missing something.

Cheerio John

On 29 August 2017 at 16:46, Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email]> wrote:
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Hi All,

We are organizing a smart citizen MAKE-YOUR-OWN-SENSOR workshop in Ottawa on September 9th.  Wanna know the air quality in your backyard?  Wanna join this city-wide air quality sensing network?

Apply to adopt a sensor here:
https://smartcities.sensorup.com/ottawa/2017-09-09/

Cheers,
Steve
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Re: YOW Smart Citizen Workshop - Adopt an FREE Air Quality Sensor

john whelan
Mulling it would appear that rainfall information might be interesting.  If you are more than say 5 kms from the weather station such as the airport the amount of rainfall can be quite different.  Add in the price of water and with the right software gardeners can save considerable amounts of cash when watering the garden.  Farmers might even be able to take advantage of this as well.

You need a bit of software to pick up the closest weather station in wxqa but there is a fair amount of Canadian content there already.  For example Calary has nine weather stations and Ottawa has at least the same number.

In Canada rainfall is more complex than temperature.  Often rain gauges are simply brought indoors during the winter to avoid freezing problems.  So given the relatively low cost of the transmitting device I might be tempted to put it on a different transmitter.  It also has the advantage of the optimum height for a rainfall gauge and a thermometer are different.  Note to Steve how doable is this?  I'd also seriously think about just using a battery pack or small solar panel to avoid problems with hydro.

I have the impression that many schools have a high quality weather station but it may not be connected to the network.  Note to Tracey its data that just needs opening up.

For particle data I don't think wxqa collects this.  So either smile nicely at them or collect all the data on Steve's servers and filter out the data wxqa is interested in and forward it to them.  That might be simpler than having the device call home to two different systems.

Solar radiation data is doable and might be of interest for solar panels.

I'll go back to sleep now.

Cheerio John



On 30 August 2017 at 18:39, john whelan <[hidden email]> wrote:
Just to include Steve's comments.  It would appear that www.wunderground.com is not as open as
one might like which leaves www.wxqa.com.  I note that there are a number of locations feeding this in Canada including Ottawa and Gatineau Airports but not Carlton University.

I think my preference would be something that fed wxqa although particle count isn't there yet.  Perhaps feed wxqa with what they can take and particle count to somewhere else.

Can anyone think of a way to get the school boards on side?

Thanks John

On 30 August 2017 at 18:16, Steve Liang <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi John,


The accuracy of temp and RH really depends on many factors. One important factor is the radiation shield and installation location. Weather Underground provided a guide for installation locations: https://www.wunderground.com/weatherstation/installationguide.asp


Regarding security, our device is very dumb.  It simply sends data every 5 minutes.  It doesn't have the capability to update firmware over the air or receive commands from our server.  And it can be a good thing because it minimize the security risks.  You are right regarding using Wifi router to protect these devices.  


I found my replies didn't go to the group as I am not on the white list yet.  I registered, but still waiting for approval.


There are many citizen sensing projects around the world.  You listed some in your email, and there are in fact too many....    For example, in Taipei city alone there are five different APIs for air quality sensors!!  This heterogeneity is creating many problems now.  


Regarding Weather Underground, it is free for anyone to upload data to their system.  But it is not free to get historical data. https://www.wunderground.com/weather/api/d/pricing.html  BTW, Weather Underground was acquired by IBM, so it's IBM now.


Thanks for all the questions.  It's a great discussion.


Steve






From: john whelan <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 10:05:55 AM
To: Steve Liang

Subject: Re: [CivicAccess-discuss] YOW Smart Citizen Workshop - Adopt an FREE Air Quality Sensor
 
What sort of accuracy are we talking about on the temp and relative  humidity sensors?

I've gone off the mailing list as I doubt the others are that interested in the more technical side.

I assume you are relying on the WiFi router's firewall to protect these devices from becoming part of a botnet.

Thanks John

On 30 Aug 2017 10:27 am, "Steve Liang" <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi John,


Great question.  The short answer is that the existing air quality monitor stations and these low-cost sensors complement each other.  The traditional air quality monitor stations cost A LOT of money to build and maintain. As a result, a city can only afford a few stations.


Recently the accuracy and reliability of the low-cost air quality sensors have been improved significantly.  That makes them great candidates for more serious applications. The large number of distributed sensors offers “hyper-local” air quality data in real-time. Now I can know the air quality maybe 500 metres from my location rather than 10 kms from me.  In Calgary we've seen air quality can be very different from one location to the other. 


Cheers,

Steve

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Subject: Re: [CivicAccess-discuss] YOW Smart Citizen Workshop - Adopt an FREE Air Quality Sensor
 
I note that the City of Ottawa has a number of air quality monitors through out the city that measure eight different pollutants.


I suspect the measuring instruments are certified to be a reasonable quality and the placement of the monitoring stations will have been thought out.  I'm not sure what additional value this project offers.  I feel cynical sometimes.

Sorry John

On 30 August 2017 at 08:56, Glen Newton <[hidden email]> wrote:
Was anyone able to find a data download page on their site? I tried to find one but could not.
Their FAQ does not mention it.

I also could not find any mention of the license of the collected data and if the sensor owner or the company has copyright on the data.

Glen

On 30 August 2017 at 07:59, john whelan <[hidden email]> wrote:
I probably browsed the site first to get a bit more info about the recommended placement etc. then ended up on the wrong page which asked me for my credit card number.  For example under a tree would give lower temperatures and higher humidity, the north side of the house is closer to the highway so probably a higher particle count.  Outdoor temperatures can be difficult to measure accurately, typically three home depot digital thermometers will give three different readings.

My curiosity and scientific background are probably not ideal for this project.  I suspect the idea is by averaging a large number of devices a higher level of accuracy can be obtained and by comparing the readings over time from the same device more data can be retrieved.  I also have concerns about safety, battery power is one thing connected to hydro is something else.  The power supply would need to be certified and waterproof.

I take it a cheap sensor for rain has not been identified.  Than one would be interesting but there are problems in winter.

Cheerio John

On 30 August 2017 at 07:38, Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email]> wrote:
I just sent in my info and I was not asked for a credit card number!

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 7:35 AM, Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email]> wrote:
Drop Stephen a note!

On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 7:26 PM, john whelan <[hidden email]> wrote:
Free but they want my credit card details?

I don't pay anyone except Amazon by credit card over the Internet.  Paypal maybe.   I note I can buy the basic link it smart for $15 retail, I assume the temperature measuring module, particle module and humidity modules are $70 each.

I'm obviously missing something.

Cheerio John

On 29 August 2017 at 16:46, Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email]> wrote:
VIA Steve Liang

Hi All,

We are organizing a smart citizen MAKE-YOUR-OWN-SENSOR workshop in Ottawa on September 9th.  Wanna know the air quality in your backyard?  Wanna join this city-wide air quality sensing network?

Apply to adopt a sensor here:
https://smartcities.sensorup.com/ottawa/2017-09-09/

Cheers,
Steve
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Associate Professor 
AITF-Microsoft Industry Chair in Open Sensor Web
Department of Geomatics Engineering
Schulich School of Engineering
University of Calgary

CEO, SensorUp Inc.

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Carleton University
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